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I have 7 nights in the HEL/TLL/LED area. I had planned 3 nights in Helsinki, 2 in Tallinn and 2 in St. Petersburg. I know I can't do justice to these areas given the short time frame... so, should I drop Russia or Estonia off the list? Or maybe 3 nights in Russia and 1 in Tallinn? Just St. Petersburg or Moscow too? Is it worth busting my butt on the train to see these 3 cities for such a short time (TLL/LED/SVO)?
As a side issue, the russian visa process seems a bit of a hassle which prompted my thinking whether to drop Russia...
I know NM has spent some time in these places. Anyone else? I would appreciate any comments/ advice from people, as this will be my first time in that neck of the woods. Cheers
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Moscow is a fair distance from Helsinki. St Petersburg is a lot closer. When I was in HEL I remember seeing 1 day (long day) and 2 day tours to St Petersburg that used some kind of special transit visa. Dont know if it still exists or not.
I probably wouldnt spend too long in Tallinn. While it has a nice old town, it is fairly similar to others in the area. Be prepared for the boatloads of Finns bingeing on the (relatively) cheap booze.
Are you going to head up to Rovaneimi (or further north) for the midnight sun?
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I lived in Kyiv for 3 years and regularly travelled to Moscow for business. I was able to see a fair bit of the place and can say that it is a really great experience. There is a train from Moscow to St Petersburg and vice versa but it takes about 10 hours. St Petes is also a great experience but if you are visiting you need at least 2 days at the Hermitage to do it justice.
St Petersburg has the potential to be a real jewel if there was some money available to spend on infrastructure and cleaning up the stench from the network of canals.
While the time constraints do not permit a good poke around the trip is still wothwhile.
When I was in HEL I remember seeing 1 day (long day) and 2 day tours to St Petersburg that used some kind of special transit visa. Dont know if it still exists or not.
I know there are transit visas if staying on a cruiseship or travelling through the country, but I don't know of any for short daytrips etc. I'll check it out when I'm in Helsinki.
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I probably wouldnt spend too long in Tallinn. While it has a nice old town, it is fairly similar to others in the area. Be prepared for the boatloads of Finns bingeing on the (relatively) cheap booze.
After this comment and a little research today, looks like 1 night will be enough in Tallinn.
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Are you going to head up to Rovaneimi (or further north) for the midnight sun?
I didn't plan to visit Rovaneimi as I've heard mixed reports. I'd love to see the Midnight Sun but will arrive in Helsinki July 28th. I think prime times for veiwing it are Mid June - Mid July. Maybe just a little too late - I'll also miss the wife-carrying championships in Sankajarui. Perhaps more of an attraction for me would be heading up to the artic circle to see the Northern Lights (Aurora Borealis) in winter.
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St Petes is also a great experience but if you are visiting you need at least 2 days at the Hermitage to do it justice.
Agreed. I suppose today I'm leaning towards skipping Russia this time, and waiting until I can spend more time there. The ferry to Stockholm from Tallinn looks interesting as another option. For example 3 nights in Helsinki, 1 night in Tallinn, 2 nights on overnight ferries (TLL-STO/ STO-HEL), 1 night in Stockholm. Any thoughts?
Are you going to head up to Rovaneimi (or further north) for the midnight sun?
I didn't plan to visit Rovaneimi as I've heard mixed reports. I'd love to see the Midnight Sun but will arrive in Helsinki July 28th. I think prime times for veiwing it are Mid June - Mid July. Maybe just a little too late - I'll also miss the wife-carrying championships in Sankajarui. Perhaps more of an attraction for me would be heading up to the artic circle to see the Northern Lights (Aurora Borealis) in winter.
Dont need to go to arctic circle to see the northern lights. Even HEL has them visible a lot in winter.
I could see how Rovaneimi isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it does have the advantage of being easily accessible part of arctic circle.
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Remember that you will need a visa for Russia or Ukraine and that is costly and can be difficult to obtain. I have been to Kiev three times and getting the Visa is not simple but can be done if you follow the right procedures and pay the fee.
I would not recommend visiting Kiev unless you either speak/read Russian or have someone to take you around. However, its a wonderful place to visit under the right circumstances. I have not been to Moscow, but expect it is similar though a little more friendly to tourists.
No visa is required for entry into Tallinn and its a short ferry ride from HEL.
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NM, I disagree about your comments regarding Kyiv (note correct Ukrainian spelling). It is an easy place to get around notwithstanding an inability to speak the language and the people are much friendlier to visitors than Muscovites. I personally would go to Kyiv before Moscow even though there may not be the marvels of Red Square, the Kremlin or the Treyakov gallery. Kyiv has Zoloty Vorota, Pechersk Lavra and many small museums and art gelleries. The walk down Andrivsky Uzviz is also a great experience. The weather is better and the general feel of the place in the warmer months is great.
The visa process is not easy and it generally should be obtained before arrival but it is no more expensive than most visas.
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Re: To Russia with Love (or not)?
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I'm off to Kyiv / Kiev shortly for a short trip...
What do you recommend are the good sights and sounds?
Sophia's Monument is worth a visit.
The markets near St Andrea's church are good for a look, but if you don't speak Russian you are going to pay more for the merchandise.
There is a great out-door museum, but I can't remember the name of it. Should not be too hard to find.
The heart of modern Kiev is the central square and its always bustling with activity. The old part of the city is full of old architecture and monuments that are also interesting.
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Also, can you recommend a good hotel?
Can't really help there. Each time I have been to KBP (3 times in the last 9 years) I have had the privilege of staying with a family in their outer suburban apartment, making for a much more interesting visit.
I do know there is a big hotel right in the middle of down-town Kiev, opposite the square mentioned earlier. That would certainly be a great location. Unfortunately the name of the hotel is obscured in the only photograph I have.
Kiev is not a very tourist-friendly place. If you don't speak (or at least understand) Russian, its not going to be easy to get around without being ripped-off everywhere. I have been luck to have a local guide (my host family) to show me around and make sure I was safe and to negotiate prices at the markets on my behalf.
StP was on my bucket list , and was seen via a cruise ship.
Not to be missed , if you can manage it.
The crowds , the rules , and the chaotic traffic make this one of the places to pay well for transport and guidance.
We paid what seemed like a lot of dosh , but received a guide with encylopedic knowlege and a magic pass to the front of the queue ( passing literally thousands in the process) ,and a male driver who was agressive but patient in the traffic.
You don't drive ??, we asked our guide... Oh, I have a licence but I don't drive at all....it is better for males to drive in Russia.......
Perhaps more of an attraction for me would be heading up to the artic circle to see the Northern Lights (Aurora Borealis) in winter.
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