[Evan]

So, i am re-negotiating my contract.... and i need some hints on justification of business class travel, higher level employees do get this privlege and i want it in my contract if i can. (Atleast for +7hrs flights)

I figure the best approach is about health reasons since i will be looking at doing Asia-USA travel and Asia-Europe a bit potentially.

The can start wook sooner etc is a little bit less important point since they offer recovery time, fly early etc, but that is one justification.

E

[taswegian77]

I wish you luck in your justification quest to travel J. Our company has a Premium Economy policy for flights over 6 hours. Sometimes we can snag a J class seat in D class but it is rare. Once your company offers extra days to recover etc you are going to struggle to get J. I would use the angle of being away from the family and by traveling J i can get there, do work and get back in the shortest time. I guess if you don't have a family that angle will not work. Good luck.

[Evan]

Well i guess the thing is i just need some words for when i put it in writing... even though we may get days etc still does not make up for lack of comfort.... back pain etc... (no i don't get it but i do feel crap after a long haul in Y)

Premium fine would be a great start but i wont mention it unless i loose out on J.

Managers one level above me get J travel, people i travel with from Europe get J travel... and its hard to take an extra day off when your traveling in a group.

But since i have yet to sign a contract its the best time to try and get it... i am not actually specificly asking for J travel on long flights but rather the travel policy of employees 1 level above me.

E

[Jobu]

I suggest it is a H&S issue if you travel frequently, particularly if you have overnight flights. Personally I would say for all flights over 3 hours long at a minimum.

It should also be a pre-requisite if you are ever expected to do any work on the plane, especially if you do alot of work on flights and/or your work is confidential.

If you are a consultant you can often justify this based on the amount of work you can do on a flight vs your charge rate.

However if your company is serious about H&S and well-being of their employees who travel frequently, it should be easy to explain.

JOBU

[Sprucegoose]

Originally Posted by Evan

So, i am re-negotiating my contract.... and i need some hints on justification of business class travel, higher level employees do get this privlege and i want it in my contract if i can. (Atleast for +7hrs flights)

I figure the best approach is about health reasons since i will be looking at doing Asia-USA travel and Asia-Europe a bit potentially.

The can start wook sooner etc is a little bit less important point since they offer recovery time, fly early etc, but that is one justification.

E

Get a job in mining or oil and gas!!!!

[simongr]

I think the angle re the recovery time is a good one - linking it to travelling with a group. Perhaps if they wont swing that for all travel - maybe suggest J when you are travelling as part of group also travelling J.

[Dave Noble]

Originally Posted by Evan

So, i am re-negotiating my contract.... and i need some hints on justification of business class travel, higher level employees do get this privlege and i want it in my contract if i can. (Atleast for +7hrs flights)

I figure the best approach is about health reasons since i will be looking at doing Asia-USA travel and Asia-Europe a bit potentially.

The can start wook sooner etc is a little bit less important point since they offer recovery time, fly early etc, but that is one justification.

E

The main thing to me, given that they have a policy, is whether your role is that which would be of a level with business class travel if you were an employee

If yes, then shouldn't be too bad to negotiate
If no, then I would think that the chances of getting approval is v low

Dave

[vt]

I read you plight as...

1 level above youu gets J.
Same level in Europe get J.

What I would angle is the following.

1. Y is still Y. So if your doing AUS-USA, thats from 15 to 30 hours airport to airport. I would expect quite a lengthy (2 days) recovery. In your circumstance, you are travelling frequently so you should be justified to get J. Rest time is great if you only do 1 or 2 internationals a year. Not so great if your doing it every week.

2. At the ripe old age of 31, my backpacking days are over. 14 hours in a whY seat although bearable greatly reduces productivity at the other end. Especially when it could take 3 days to get over jetlag.

3. Do they require you to travel on weekends? Personal time? Night time? Depending on how much clout you have, try and get travel time credited to your 40 hours a week. So if you do mel-sfo, get 2 days annual leave in leiu. This may be a career limiting move though.

At the end of the day, if they stick to policy and say your not high enough to get J, there is little you can do. The strongest points would be the frequency of your travel, the productiveness at the other end and a healthier and happier employee.

[codash1099]

What is the cost, in real $ terms and in lost productivity, of tacking a couple of extra days on both ends of a trip. Or on multiple legs of a trip? Or the possibility of actually doing some productive work in J that would not be possible in Y.

It seems to me that they are recognising the problems of long Y flights and a seeking a half baked way of overcoming them.

[Flashware]

Originally Posted by Jobu

I suggest it is a H&S issue if you travel frequently, particularly if you have overnight flights. Personally I would say for all flights over 3 hours long at a minimum.

Sounds just like our companies policy. And yep, mining industry