Justification for J travel policy

[Evan]

I think the angle re the recovery time is a good one - linking it to travelling with a group. Perhaps if they wont swing that for all travel - maybe suggest J when you are travelling as part of group also travelling J.

This is correct, i am not asking for J travel all the time only when its required, if there is no issues with recovery etc and i am not doing too many hours in a plane, eg to Europe then whY i will accept.

Thankfully i am never expected or asked to work on a plane, that is completely out of the question even in J (I do usually check my mail in the lounges though)

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[Evan]

I read you plight as...

1 level above youu gets J.
Same level in Europe get J.

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3. Do they require you to travel on weekends? Personal time? Night time? Depending on how much clout you have, try and get travel time credited to your 40 hours a week. So if you do mel-sfo, get 2 days annual leave in leiu. This may be a career limiting move though.

At the end of the day, if they stick to policy and say your not high enough to get J, there is little you can do. The strongest points would be the frequency of your travel, the productiveness at the other end and a healthier and happier employee.

Thanks for the ideas, your correct about my plight !
Actually travel time is time in leiu or on work hours (atleast it was in my old contract) and i am happy with this for the most part.

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[JohnK]

I figure the best approach is about health reasons since i will be looking at doing Asia-USA travel and Asia-Europe a bit potentially.

I see nothing wrong with this excuse if you are doing point to point long haul travel with necessary stopovers/transits.

If you do state health reasons but then start to incorporate mileage runs into your travel it will not look good and may well be frowned upon even if is actually saving the company money. Many companies actually provide business class travel for long haul flights but it must be the most direct routing and the cheapest airfare on reputable carriers.

g a J class seat in D class but it is rare. Once your company offers extra days to recover etc you are going to struggle to get J.

I would rather have the extra days either side and travel in economy than travel in business and be expected to hit the ground running. Even better when I can get time off in lieu for travelling in economy during my own time and save these days to have a 1-2 week holiday.

[Harpoon]

My work has a 4h+ policy for J seats. It seems to work pretty well. I don't think sitting in Y for 3 hours 50 is unreasonable when travelling to NZ. it's not the best but it's ok.

However up that to 5 or 6 hours to the pacific islands and then Y becomes a whole lot more uncomfortable.

Perhaps just work out what amount of time justifies J seat and run with that along with the comfort, family, efficiency, ability to work in the air etc.

[Evan]

Inside Asia at upto 7 hours in whY on a day flight is ok... just.

I have no chance at all for a status / mileage run strict company policy. Sure i prefer to route into China if not direct on SQ then via HKG and CX/KA combo rather than fly some dodgy China airline but thats my choice as the cost is same.

As John says the days off or J, i simply want the choice sometimes the days off is not practical. And flying J would never fly in and work the same day, always one night sleep, so arrive Sunday for a monday work... and still claim TIL for travel time over MY weekend.

I know if i don't ask now then its pointless asking later that is for sure.

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