Finnair Business RTW or DONE 4 Ex Japan

[Bundy Bear]

Planning on going to Europe and the USA(Dallas) in November so have been looking at different options on how to get there.

DONE 4 ex Australia is a major rip off but the same thing starting from Tokyo is a little bit cheaper; well lots; Yen 780,000(AUD 7,800) versus $AUD10,136.

Getting an award seat to Japan isn't so difficult, but then you got to ring America to get an itinerary, then ring Japan and give them your credit card.

So while searching around Cheap flights, accommodation, holiday packages, hire cars - travel.com.au found this airfare on offer. Finnair RTW

The Finnair price at $6999 plus tax isn't so bad. You only get around 700 SCs where a properly planned DONE 4 can get you almost double the SCs.

When travel.com.au first started they listed the fare rules so you could work out what flights you could or couldn't fly.

The DONE 4 fare rules I read about lots so I know them fairly well. Thanks AFF.

Seems like flying RTW in economy gets some nice miles but hardly any Status Credits for all that flying.

Any idea where I can find the complete fare rules for this Finnair RTW. Finnair.com seems next to useless. Anyone flown Finnair.

[garyjohn951]

Yes, I flew this fare last June. MEL-HKG-HEL-LED-LHR-HKG-MEL. You are only allowed 5 stops. However if only wanting to go to Europe it is the cheapest J [actually D] option. The flights are all oneworld. You must include an asia flight on Finnair, otherwise BA, QF etc.
We used AY from HKG to HEL.
There J service is on a par with BA and QF except for movies, sub-standard.

[straitman]

I assume from this that you could fly extra legs up to ?? many, however only 5 stops as you said. If this is the case it still should pan out OK.

[alect]

Have you considered DONE4 ex-TPE - it's cheaper than NRT and almost everywhere else in Asia nowadays.

[QF009]

Have you considered DONE4 ex-TPE - it's cheaper than NRT and almost everywhere else in Asia nowadays.

Cheaper than NRT by A$200 at today's exchange rate. I'm thinking of visiting TPE so this might be an option for the next DONE4, but I'd probably incur some costs getting NRT (the end point of my current DONE4) to TPE. But of course some enhancements might be applied to the rules/rates (knocks wood ) so all these might be moot by the time I get around to booking another ticket.

And from an MR perspective - there aren't as many 'long' routes out of TPE as flying out of NRT.

[Mal]

The Finnair fare isn't a true RTW, I believe it is a Return fare to Europe that allows routing through America and also Asia. It could allow Africa as well, but not too sure.

Bestflights also have it listed:
Australian Travel Agent : Best Flights - discount travel - Travel Agent Australia

I have seen the fare rules listed before for these types of fares. Sometimes ExpertFlyer shows them, but I can't find it for this fare at ExpertFlyer.

I believe (but aren't sure) that the Conditions for this fare may be (Check in particular Fare 002, 004, 006 and 007. You would need to check with BestFlights/Travel.com.au to work out exactly which fare they're offering):

WARNING

* TRAVEL TO BLL/DUB/EDI/KRK/LPP/PSA/SJY/VCE
IS A SEASONAL SERVICE.

- E-TICKETING IS ALLOWED.
----------------------------------------
- TRAVEL TO GOT/TLL VIA HEL ONLY.
---------------------------------------
- CITIES SHOWN ON THIS FARE MAY NOT BE
AVAILABLE DUE TO AIRLINE SCHEDULING
AND MAY CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE.

- FUEL TAXES FOR OTHER CARRIERS IE. QF/CX/BA/JL
SHOULD NOT BE COLLECTED.

APPLICATION

FARES 001-004:
-MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE PERMITTED.
COUNTED
FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO EUROPE.

TRAVEL TO GOT/TLL MUST BE VIA HEL ONLY.

ANY COMBINATION OF AY/QF/BA/CX/JL SERVICES
BETWEEN
AUSTRALIA AND EUROPE AND WITHIN EUROPE
PERMITTED
WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS:

AY LONGHAUL IN BOTH DIRECTION.

AY LONGHAUL SECTOR DEFINED AS BKK/HKG/BJS/TYO/
BOM/
OSA/SHA/CAN/NGO/DEL/NYC-HEL VV ON AY

TRAVEL ON CX/JL IS NOT PERMITTED VIA AP

TRAVEL ON CX IA NOT PERMITTED VIA AFRICA

TRAVEL EH VIA AFRICA NOT PERMITTED EX DRW/PER

SECTORS:
ONE WAY: MAXIMUM 1 SECTOR IN EUROPE PERMITTED
COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO EUROPE.

RETURN: MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE PERMITTED
COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO EUROPE.
ADDITIONAL AY NET SECTORS FARES MAY BE
PURCHASED PRIOR TO DEPARTURE - REFER TO SAY10


FARES 005-010:
-AXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE PERMITTED. COUNTED
FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO EUROPE.

TRAVEL TO GOT/TLL MUST BE VIA HEL ONLY.

ANY COMBINATION OF AY/QF/BA/CX/JL SERVICES
BETWEEN
AUSTRALIA AND EUROPE AND WITHIN EUROPE
PERMITTED
WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS:

AY MUST HAVE A MINIMUM OF 1 LONGHAUL SECTOR.

AY LONGHAUL SECTOR DEFINED AS BKK/HKG/BJS/TYO/
BOM/
OSA/SHA/CAN/NGO/DEL/NYC-HEL VV ON AY

TRAVEL ON CX/JL IS NOT PERMITTED VIA AP

TRAVEL ON CX IA NOT PERMITTED VIA AFRICA

TRAVEL EH VIA AFRICA NOT PERMITTED EX DRW/PER

SECTORS:
ONE WAY: MAXIMUM 1 SECTOR IN EUROPE PERMITTED
COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO EUROPE.

RETURN: MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE PERMITTED
COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO EUROPE.
ADDITIONAL AY NET SECTORS FARES MAY BE
PURCHASED PRIOR TO DEPARTURE - REFER TO SAY10

ROUTING

FARE 001:
VALID QF/BA/CX/JL/AY AS FOLLOWS:
QF: MEL/BNE-SYD VV
BNE-CNS VV
ADL-SYD/MEL VV
AUSTRALIA-JAPAN VV VIA TS/TS
QF/BA/CX/JL: AUSTRALIA-ASIA VV VIA EH/EH
AY: ASIA/JAPAN-HEL VV VIA EH/EH EH/TS
AY/BA: HEL-EUROPE VV
AY: HEL-BLL VV OPERATED BY EZ UNDER AY
FLIGHT NUMBERS PERMITTED.
- TRAVEL MUST BE VIA EH/EH EH/TS TS/TS ONLY.
FOR ROUTING RESTRICTIONS REFER TO
APPLICATION PARA.

- AY LONGHAUL IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

- TRAVEL EH VIA AFRICA NOT PERMITTED EX
DRW/PER

- MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE PERMITTED.
COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO
EUROPE.

- AY LONGHAUL SECTOR DEFINED AS BKK/HKG/
BJS/TYO/BOM/OSA/SHA/CAN/NGO/DEL-HEL VV
ON AY

- SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED.

SECTORS:
ONE WAY: MAXIMUM 1 SECTOR IN EUROPE
PERMITTED COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY
INTO EUROPE.
RETURN: MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE
PERMITTED COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY
INTO EUROPE.

FARE 002:
VALID QF/BA/CX/JL/AY AS FOLLOWS:
QF: DRW-SYD VV PERMITTED ON AP ROUTING ONLY.
QF/BA/CX/JL: AUSTRALIA-ASIA IN ONE DIRECTION
ONLY VIA EH.
QF: MEL/BNE-SYD VV
BNE-CNS VV
ADL-SYD/MEL VV
AUSTRALIA-JAPAN IN ONE DIRECTION ONLY
VIA TS
AUSTRALIA-NORTH AMERICA IN ONE DIRECTION
ONLY VIA AP.
AY: ASIA/NORTH AMERICA-HEL VV VIA EH/AP
AY/BA: HEL-EUROPE VV
AY: HEL-BLL VV OPERATED BY EZ UNDER AY
FLIGHT NUMBER PERMITTED.
- TRAVEL MUST BE VIA EH/AP TS/AP ONLY.
FOR ROUTING RESTRICTIONS REFER TO
APPLICATION PARA.

- AY LONGHAUL IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

- TRAVEL EH VIA AFRICA NOT PERMITTED EX
DRW/PER

- MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE PERMITTED.
COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO
EUROPE.

- AY LONGHAUL SECTOR DEFINED AS BKK/HKG/
BJS/TYO/BOM/OSA/SHA/CAN/NGO/DEL/NYC-HEL VV
ON AY

- SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED.

- BA TRANSATLANTIC FLIGHTS NOT PERMITTED.

- QF FLIGHT NUMBERS OPERATED BY AA WITHIN
US PERMITTED.

- BACKTRACKING WITHIN USA NOT PERMITTED
EG. SYD-NYC QF // LAX-NYC QF - HEL
AY - BKK AY - SYD QF.

SECTORS:
ONE WAY: MAXIMUM 1 SECTOR IN EUROPE
PERMITTED COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY
INTO EUROPE.
RETURN: MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE
PERMITTED COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY
INTO EUROPE.

FARE 003:
VALID QF/BA/CX/JL/AY AS FOLLOWS:
QF/BA/CX/JL: PER-ASIA VV VIA EH/EH.
QF: PER-JAPAN VV VIA TS/TS.
AY: ASIA/JAPAN-HEL VV VIA EH/EH EH/TS
AY/BA: HEL-EUROPE VV
AY: HEL-BLL VV OPERATED BY EZ UNDER AY
FLIGHT NUMBER PERMITTED.
- TRAVEL MUST BE VIA EH/EH EH/TS TS/TS ONLY.
FOR ROUTING RESTRICTIONS REFER TO
APPLICATION PARA.

- AY LONGHAUL IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

- TRAVEL EH VIA AFRICA NOT PERMITTED EX
DRW/PER

- MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE PERMITTED.
COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO
EUROPE.

- AY LONGHAUL SECTOR DEFINED AS BKK/HKG/
BJS/TYO/BOM/OSA/SHA/CAN/NGO/DEL-HEL VV
ON AY

- SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED.

SECTORS:
ONE WAY: MAXIMUM 1 SECTOR IN EUROPE
PERMITTED COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY
INTO EUROPE.
RETURN: MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE
PERMITTED COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY
INTO EUROPE.

FARE 004:
VALID QF/BA/CX/JL/AY AS FOLLOWS:
QF: PER-JAPAN IN ONE DIRECTION ONLY VIA TS
PER-MEL/SYD VV PERMITTED ON AP
ROUTING ONLY.
AUSTRALIA-NORTH AMERICA IN ONE DIRECTION
ONLY VIA AP.
QF/BA/CX/JL: AUSTRALIA-ASIA IN ONE DIRECTION
ONLY VIA EH.
AY: ASIA/NORTH AMERICA-HEL VV VIA EH/AP
AY/BA: HEL-EUROPE VV
AY: HEL-BLL VV OPERATED BY EZ UNDER AY
FLIGHT NUMBER PERMITTED.

- TRAVEL MUST BE VIA EH/AP TS/AP ONLY.
FOR ROUTING RESTRICTIONS REFER TO
APPLICATION PARA.

- AY LONGHAUL IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

- TRAVEL EH VIA AFRICA NOT PERMITTED EX
DRW/PER

- AY LONGHAUL SECTOR DEFINED AS BKK/HKG/
BJS/TYO/BOM/OSA/SHA/CAN/NGO/DEL/NYC-HEL VV
ON AY

- SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED.

- BA TRANSATLANTIC FLIGHTS NOT PERMITTED.

- QF FLIGHT NUMBERS OPERATED BY AA WITHIN
US PERMITTED.

- BACKTRACKING WITHIN USA NOT PERMITTED
EG. SYD-NYC QF // LAX-NYC QF - HEL
AY - BKK AY - SYD QF.

SECTORS:
ONE WAY: MAXIMUM 1 SECTOR IN EUROPE
PERMITTED COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY
INTO EUROPE.
RETURN: MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE
PERMITTED COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY
INTO EUROPE.

FARE 005:
VALID QF/BA/CX/JL/AY AS FOLLOWS:
QF: MEL/BNE-SYD VV
BNE-CNS VV
ADL-MEL/SYD VV
AUSTRALIA-JAPAN VV VIA TS/TS
QF/BA/CX/JL: AUSTRALIA-ASIA VV VIA EH/EH
AY: ASIA/JAPAN-HEL IN ONE DIRECTION ONLY VIA
EH/EH EH/TS
AY/BA: HEL-EUROPE VV
AY: HEL-BLL VV OPERATED BY EZ UNDER AY
FLIGHT NUMBERS PERMITTED.
- TRAVEL MUST BE VIA EH/EH EH/TS TS/TS ONLY.
FOR ROUTING RESTRICTIONS REFER TO
APPLICATION PARA.

- AY LONGHAUL IN ONE DIRECTION ONLY.

- TRAVEL EH VIA AFRICA NOT PERMITTED EX
DRW/PER

- MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE PERMITTED.
COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO
EUROPE.

- AY LONGHAUL SECTOR DEFINED AS BKK/HKG/
BJS/TYO/BOM/OSA/SHA/CAN/NGO/DEL-HEL VV
ON AY

- SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED.

SECTORS:
ONE WAY: MAXIMUM 1 SECTOR IN EUROPE
PERMITTED COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY
INTO EUROPE.
RETURN: MAXIMUM 2 SECTORS IN EUROPE
PERMITTED COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY
INTO EUROPE.

FARE 006:
VALID QF/AY/BA AS FOLLOWS:
QF: MEL/BNE-SYD
BNE-CNS
ADL-MEL/SYD
AUSTRALIA-NORTH AMERICA VIA AP
DRW-SYD/BNE PERMITTED ON AP
ROUTING ONLY.
AY: NORTH AMERICA-HEL VIA AP
AY/BA: HEL-EUROPE
AY: HEL-BLL OPERATED BY EZ UNDER AY FLIGHT
NUMBERS PERMITTED.
- TRAVEL MUST BE VIA AP ONLY.
FOR ROUTING RESTRICTIONS REFER TO
APPLICATION PARA.

- AY LONGHAUL IN ONE DIRECTION ONLY.

- MAXIMUM 1 SECTOR IN EUROPE PERMITTED.
COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO
EUROPE.

- AY LONGHAUL SECTOR DEFINED AS NYC-HEL VV
ON AY

- SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED.

- BA TRANSATLANTIC FLIGHTS NOT PERMITTED.

- QF FLIGHT NUMBERS OPERATED BY AA WITHIN
US PERMITTED.

- BACKTRACKING WITHIN USA NOT PERMITTED
EG. SYD-NYC QF // LAX-NYC QF - HEL

SECTORS:
ONE WAY: MAXIMUM 1 SECTOR IN EUROPE
PERMITTED COUNTED FROM THE POINT OF ENTRY
INTO EUROPE.

FARE 007:
VALID QF/BA/CX/JL/AY AS FOLLOWS:
QF: DRW-SYD/BNE VV PERMITTED ON AP
ROUTING ONLY.
MEL/BNE-SYD VV
BNE-CNS VV
ADL-SYD/MEL VV
AUSTRALIA-JAPAN IN ONE DIRECTION ONLY
VIA TS
QF/BA/CX/JL: AUSTRALIA-ASIA IN ONE DIRECTION
ONLY VIA EH.
QF: AUSTRALIA-NORTH AMERICA IN ONE DIRECTION
ONLY VIA AP.
MEL

TRANSFER

FARES 001-005, FARES 007-008, FARE 010:

RETURN JOURNEY:
-5 TRANSFERS PERMITTED INCLUDING POINT OF
TURNAROUND ON ENTIRE JOURNEY. ONE ADDITIONAL
TRANSFER PERMITTED FOR AP ROUTINGS.


FARES 005-006, FARES 008-009:

ONE WAY JOURNEY:
-3 TRANSFERS PERMITTED INCLUDING END
DESTINATION. ONE ADDITIONAL TRANSFER
PERMITTED FOR AP ROUTINGS.


FARES 001-010:
-1 ADDITIONAL TRANSFER PERMITTED IN EACH
DIRECTION WITHIN AUSTRALIA

CODESHARE

AY2000-AY2999 NOT PERMITTED

CODESHARE FLIGHTS OPERATED BY AY/QF/BA/CX/JL
ARE PERMITTED

AY CODESHARE FLIGHTS OPERATED BY EE PERMITTED

QF CODE SHARE FLIGHTS OPERATED BY JL PERMITTED
BETWEEN AUSTRALIA-JAPAN UNDER QF FLIGHT NUMBERS.

QF CODE SHARE FLIGHTS OPERATED BY AA PERMITTED
WITHIN NORTH AMERICA UNDER QF FLIGHT NUMBERS.

AY CODE SHARE FLIGHTS OPERATED BY EZ PERMITTED
BETWEEN HEL-BLL AND VV UNDER AY FLIGHT NUMBERS.

AY CODESHARE FLIGHTS OPERATED BY FV PERMITTED

AY CODESHARE FLIGHTS OPERATED BY AA PERMITTED FOR
ONLINE CONNECTIONS AY/AY UNDER AY FLIGHT NUMBER.

JL CODESHARE FLIGHTS OPERATED BY CO PERMITTED

FC FLIGHTS AND FC CODED/DC OPERATED
FLIGHTS PERMITTED.


QF CODESHARE FLIGHTS OPERATED BY JQ/AO PERMITTED
AND QANTAS LINK

OPEN JAW

OPEN JAW PERMITTED .

STOPOVERS

FARES 001-005, FARES 007-008, FARE 010:
RETURN JOURNEY
-5 STOPS PERMITTED ON ENTIRE JOURNEY INCLUDING
TURNAROUND POINT - INTERNATIONAL.


FARES 005-006, FARES 008-009:
ONE WAY JOURNEY
-3 STOPS PERMITTED ON ENTIRE JOURNEY INCLUDING
END DESTINATION - INTERNATIONAL.


FARES 001-010:
-1 ADDITIONAL STOP PERMITTED WITHIN AUSTRALIA
IN EACH DIRECTION

COUPONS

- FOR EXTRA COUPONS WITHIN EUROPE AND DOMESTIC
FINLAND PLS REFER TO SAY10.

STPC

- STPC NOT APPLICABLE.

MINIMUM

NIL

MAXIMUM

1 YEAR

RESERVATIONS

AY/BA/QF/CX/JL: BOOK D CLASS
AY: BOOK Y CLASS BETWEEN HEL-EUROPE AND VICE VERSA,
WITHIN FINLAND WHERE BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE
NOT AVAILABLE.
QF: BOOK Y CLASS WITHIN AUSTRALIA WHEN D CLASS IS
NOT AVAILABLE.

RES NOTES

- ALL SECTORS MUST BE CONFIRMED AT TIME OF TKTG

CHILD

ACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 2-11 YEARS INCLUSIVE PAY
75.00% OF NET

UNACCOMPANIED MINORS NOT PERMITTED.

INFANT

INFANT UNDER 24 MONTHS NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT PAY
10.00% OF NET.

UNACCOMPANIED MINORS NOT PERMITTED

INFANTS TURNING 2 YRS AFTER COMMENCEMENT OF TRAVEL
PAY 10PC OF ADT NETT FARE.

AY REQUIRE ALL CHILDREN OVER 2 YRS OF AGE TO
OCCUPY A SEAT.

PLS REFER TO CRS AND PARTICIPATING CARRIERS FOR
INDIVIDUAL PROCEDURES.

TICKETING

- E-TICKETING ALLOWED.

- IF AIRLINE ISSUE REQUIRED - ALLOW A MINIMUM OF
3 TO 5 WORKING DAYS FOR TICKETING
NCHQ TO AY - REFER RULES

- AUD25 TICKETING SERVICE FEE BY ALL
WORLD AVIATION - AY OFFICES.

BAGGAGE

STANDARD IATA CONDITIONS APPLY.

COMBINATION

NOT PERMITTED

CHANGE

DATE CHANGES:
- BEFORE DEPT:
- PERMITTED FOC WITHIN SALES PERIOD/TICKET
VALIDITY.

- E-TKTS MAY BE REVALIDATED BY ISSUING AGENT.

- PAPER TICKETS MUST BE REVALIDATED BY AY
TICKET OFFICE ONLY.

- AFTER DEPT:
- PERMITTED FOC WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY.

- E-TKTS MAY BE REVALIDATED BY ISSUING AGENT.

- PAPER TICKETS MUST BE REVALIDATED BY AY
TICKET OFFICE ONLY. NB LOCAL SERVICE FEES
MAY APPLY.

REROUTING:
- BEFORE DEPARTURE PERMITTED FOC. TICKET MUST
BE REISSUED BY AY TICKET OFFICES.

- AFTER DEPARTURE: NOT PERMITTED.

REISSUES:
- AUD25 TICKETING SERVICE FEE BY ALL WORLD
AVIATION - AY OFFICES.

NAME CHANGES:
- NO NAME CHANGE/NAME UPDATE IN THE PNR PERMITTED.
- A NEW BOOKING MUST BE MADE WITH THE CORRECT NAME
AND A NEW TICKET PURCHASED - REFER TO
CANCELLATIONS N REFUNDS.


IF THE CHANGE RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE
DIFFERENCE MUST BE COLLECTED. FOR CHANGES MADE
OUTSIDE OF AUSTRALIA AIRLINE FEES MAY APPLY. GST
MAY APPLY ON REISSUES - PLEASE REFER TO AIRLINE.

CANCELLATION

BEFORE DEPARTURE: REFUND PERMITTED LESS A PENALTY
OF AUD125 PER PAX EXCLUDING GST

AFTER DEPARTURE: REASSESSED LESS A PENALTY OF
AUD125 PER PAX EXCLUDING GST AT
FULL PUBLISHED FARE LEVELS.

DUE TO CLERICAL ERROR I.E NAME CHANGE AY WILL
AUTHORIZE A FULL REFUND LESS CANCELLATION PENALTY
OF AUD125 PLUS GST SUBJECT TO PURCHASE OF A NEW
TICKET FOR AN EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE.PLS CONTACT
ADMIN OFFICE FOR A REFUND AUTHORITY NUMBER VIA
EMAIL - AUSADMIN@ FINNAIR.COM

A PROCESSING FEE RANGING FROM AUD30 TO AUD110 MAY
APPLY OVER AND ABOVE THE STANDARD CANCELLATION
FEES INDICATED WHEN REFUND APPLICATIONS ARE SENT
TO AIRLINES.

[garyjohn951]

Yes, it is a limited fare. And it is possible to go RTW
MEL-HKG-HEL-LON-JKF-LAX-MEL is a route that could be taken. If travel is wanted in Europe or US take LCC flights.
Not a bad RTW for $A7000

[rhjames]

I flew Finnair Hong Kong to Helsinki a few months ago. I got a package where I flew Qantas economy Sydney/HK, then business from HK. Saved lots of money this way. Finnair seats aren't up to Qantas skybed, but good enough for me when I'm paying. Otherwise they were ok. If interested, I can dig out the agent website.

[Evan]

Your bigest issue may be 'D' class availability if your only looking at travel in Nov, some flights are really busy at the moment.

(Currently planning a DONE4 ex Japan but may not be able to do due to lack of availability around the dates i need flights, of course lots of alternative routings to be checked before i give up and just book some flights in whY and try to upgrade)

E

[Bundy Bear]

Thanks for the replies, especially the Fare rules.

Yes brought Expertflyer to try and track down the D fares, which I was going to use to plan the DONE4.

Have tracked down a bunch of suitable flights with D availability so will now send to the travel agent and see if they can price it.

Unfortuneately my regular TA is away on holidays so have to give it to someone else in the office to book who doesn't understand my desire for extra segments, even if the direct flight is possible.

Regular TA understands my interest in extra flights, so is quite happy to check on prices for flights, like going to Thailand for a day trip.