V Australia to fly to South Africa.
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A 773 (max range 11,135 km) would just be able to do SYD-JNB (11,116 km) assuming the winds are not working against them, while a 773ER (max range 14,685 km) or 772LR (max range 17,500 km)would do it easy. As V Aust will have 773ERs, I would imagine they will fly direct.
I find it a curious choice though - admitedly, not much competition on the route, but I would not have thought there was that much demand either... Are the QF and SA flights heavily loaded? I would have thought a MEL-LAX route or SYD-HKG/SIN/NRT/BKK would have been more likely choices, but that's just my thoughts...
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Reason: they are actually running 773ERs
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Re: V Australia to fly to South Africa
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A 773 (max range 11,135 km) would just be able to do SYD-JNB (11,116 km) assuming the winds are not working against them, while a 773ER (max range 14,685 km) or 772LR (max range 17,500 km)would do it easy. As V Aust will have 773ERs, I would imagine they will fly direct.
The issue is more about ETOPS requirements rather than endurance.
The issue is more about ETOPS requirements rather than endurance.
Quite right. SYD/PER-JNB is out under ETOPS regs for twins. So what are V Australia thinking here? maybe they are going to lease a couple of A340's or 744's This is why Air Mauritius, SAA have A340's and LAN for that matter going the other direction.
I would have thought there are better routes to attack
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A 773 (max range 11,135 km) would just be able to do SYD-JNB (11,116 km) assuming the winds are not working against them, while a 773ER (max range 14,685 km) or 772LR (max range 17,500 km)would do it easy. As V Aust will have 773ERs, I would imagine they will fly direct.
I find it a curious choice though - admitedly, not much competition on the route, but I would not have thought there was that much demand either... Are the QF and SA flights heavily loaded? I would have thought a MEL-LAX route or SYD-HKG/SIN/NRT/BKK would have been more likely choices, but that's just my thoughts...
I think VA have stated before (though I could be mistaken) that they will be reserving one of the 773ER's for Asian destinations.
I too thought that MEL-LAX or flights to SIN, HKG, NRT were next. However, I think JNB could work for them starting when they plan to, they'd have a pretty good opportunity to build on strong demand because of the FIFA World Cup on mid-2010.
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Re: V Australia to fly to South Africa
[quote=maninblack;181040]Quite right. SYD/PER-JNB is out under ETOPS regs for twins. So what are V Australia thinking here? maybe they are going to lease a couple of A340's or 744's This is why Air Mauritius, SAA have A340's and LAN for that matter going the other direction.[/quore]
Boeing built the 777-300ER to meet ETOPS 330 minute requirements and have proven its capability.
Of course there is no such certification currently, but Boeing are still pushing forward it for both the 777-300ER (and -200LR) and the future 787. And no doubt Airbus will want to support it for their A350 aircraft. I have no insight into any possible timeframes for such a certification, but 330 mins would make SYD-JNB accissible via the great circle route.
Under ETOPS 207 min rules (180 mins + 15%), SYD-JNB will be well within the endurance range for the 777-300ER via a more northerly routing.
Under ETOPS 207 min rules (180 mins + 15%), SYD-JNB will be well within the endurance range for the 777-300ER via a more northerly routing.
Would that be all year round? I imagine the head winds would be more significant on the northerly tracks. I understand the QF JNB-SYD flights often have a more northerly track to pick up tailwinds. SYD-JNB would however have a headwind problem (or maybe you could do a pitstop in PER to refuel if needed)
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This is why Air Mauritius, SAA have A340's and LAN for that matter going the other direction.
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