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Old 9th February 2008, 11:55 PM
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Sydney Airport chokes tourism Industry

Link: Australian tourist numbers down | NEWS.com.au or

While industry spokespersons won't say or admit it, the cozy price fixing of US flights/ traffic, and exorbiant taxes/ fees at Sydney is costing 10,000's of jobs. The simple fix is to open up competition.
Australian tourist numbers down

By Melissa Ketchell February 07, 2008 07:42am


INBOUND tourism to Australia is lagging behind the rest of the world, with visitor numbers increasing just 2 per cent compared with a global average of 6 per cent growth last year.
Australian Tourism Export Council managing director Matthew Hingerty said it would take massive innovation to drag the sector out of the doldrums.
"We need to understand why our competitors are booming and racing ahead, and we need to see what lessons we can learn and apply to the Australian market," Mr Hingerty said.
A high Australian dollar and concern from some international travellers about the environmental impact of long-haul travel were among the hurdles to stronger growth.
Tourism and Transport Forum Australia managing director Christopher Brown said the industry had to move quickly to change consumer perceptions of long-haul travel in the face of climate change.

Mr Brown said the industry also needed a long-term approach to labour and skills shortages.
He said the growth figures revealed in Australian Bureau of Statistics data released yesterday were lower than expected.
In a weakened global economy, maintaining competitiveness in the tourism industry was vital, as it accounted for $22 billion in export earnings each year, he said.
"It is a tough operating environment for Australia and we can not become complacent," Mr Brown said.
Mr Hingerty said Australia's ability to compete on price was being eroded and new products and services were needed to encourage more overseas visitors.
The 2 per cent increase for the calendar year meant 5.6 million international visitors come to Australia.
Japan's international visitor numbers grew 14 per cent and the US and China 10 per cent.
There were some bright spots for Australia, with arrivals from China and India growing strongly. Chinese visitor numbers increased 16 per cent and Indian visitors 13.6 per cent.
Mr Brown said more planes and hotels, and a bigger workforce would be needed to maintain these growth rates.
"We also have to invest in compelling new tourism experiences and market them strongly," he said.

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Old 10th February 2008, 11:00 AM
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Re: Sydney Airport chokes tourism Industry

So how does increased competition reduce the perception of the impact of long haul travel on global warming or fix the sub prime problem in the US?

Was there another article which outlined how SYD was teh root of all evil?
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Old 10th February 2008, 11:47 AM
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Re: Sydney Airport chokes tourism Industry

ANother article that talks about problems at SYD

Airport's problems getting worse | The Daily Telegraph

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THE lockout by Sydney airport of stranded passengers due to bad weather last week should be the least of air travellers concerns.
The problem is only going to get worse - and I'm not referring to the dire weather or the woes of travelling with budget airlines.

Sydney is on the cusp of losing massive tourism, not to mention credibility as an international city, unless the State Government seriously looks at the outdated inflexible curfew and the building of a second airport.
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Old 10th February 2008, 04:40 PM
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So how does increased competition reduce the perception of the impact of long haul travel on global warming or fix the sub prime problem in the US?

Was there another article which outlined how SYD was teh root of all evil?
The septics reckon a flight from JFK - LHR is a long flight. Many are unwilling to fly from LAX - SYD. What a crazy article - the words were English but there was little cogent meaning
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ANother article that talks about problems at SYD

Airport's problems getting worse | The Daily Telegraph
Not the second airport thing again! Can you remember Somersby? Or Badgery's Creek? A second airport for SYD is about 2030 if planning starts now! Lift the curfew and develop strategies to acquire badly affected properties.
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Not the second airport thing again! Can you remember Somersby? Or Badgery's Creek? A second airport for SYD is about 2030 if planning starts now! Lift the curfew and develop strategies to acquire badly affected properties.

Nah, the NIMBYs will never let it get up. Politicians are too gutless to say "Screw you, we're building it here, go ahead and vote for the opposition, we don't care about a couple of seats in the backblocks anyway".

Note the current drama about the new runway at BNE. How many years have people known that it was coming, yet they continued to build houses under what will be the approaches?

In the words of Jean Kitson's FA character from The Big Gig - "bugger 'em, I say!".
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I'd sooner fly in and out of LHR five times than fly in and out of BNE or SYD once as a non-premium passenger. This is mainly due to the huge long quarantine queue that takes ages to get through after a long flight. I also find BNE/SYD immigration people at Australia to be ruder than the LHR ones.

If I were a tourist to Australia, I would be somewhat offended by the attitude of some of the immigration people as well as the long queue at the quarantine. I agree with the principles of quarantine but to wait for ages in a queue after a long flight is far from pleasant.

Coupled with strong Australian dollars and the resultant no-longer-so-cheap everything (as well as the fact that price of things have appeared to have gone up in themselves anyway), and with all sorts of other attrative destinations on offer, I have to admit that I wouldn't be in a huge hurry to consider Australia as my primary holiday destination if I were a tourist...

I highly doubt that the 'environmental effect on earth of long-haul flying' had much to do with people's choice of holiday destinations though. If anything, I can believe it if people were concerned about the environmental effect on them of long-haul flying (i.e. most people don't like long haul flights, especially in cattle class). I also don't think Sydney Airport would be the main reason why tourist numbers are down (in any case there are other airports they can fly into if they don't like Sydney Airport anyway). I do not think people tend to choose a country to visit based on an airport - and most travellers from overseas wouldn't even know that a curfew exists in Sydney!

I guess I am cynical, but I do think that Sydney Airport has been made a scapegoat in this case. Not that I have high praises for Sydney Airport - the only good thing there, as far as I'm concerned, is the QF Flounge.


On the Sydney curfew thing, I know some people who would not fly long haul inbound to Australia via Sydney in case they get caught up by the curfew, but they are all local Australians and they don't 'need to' route via Sydney anyway. I'm not one of them but the inflexible approach, the irritating fact that people are likely to have bought houses around Sydney airport after it was already in existence (and probably the instrument procedures were in existence) and complaining about the noise etc do grate on me, and the fact that the noise-related curfew appears to be all politically driven is another source of irritation to me. If the residents don't like the noise from the airport there and they bought the house after the airport existed, give them a house at the back of Bourke and away from all the noise and see how they like it I bet many of those that complain about the noise would happily fly out of Sydney airport for their holiday and complain about the delay if THEIR flight got delayed 12 hours and they were stuck in the airport terminal somewhere due to Sydney curfew...

I do feel sorry for those who bought their house before the airport was built or an approach procedure was established over their house, but I really don't have any sympathy towards those who bought the house afterwards and complain about the noise - they should have known better, and if they failed to do their research beforehand, or have such little foresight that they could not expect the noise to bother them, that's their problem, not the airport's, airlines', or passengers', and they should not make it other people's problems.

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Re: Sydney Airport chokes tourism Industry

Once again, the minority rules for the majority
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I have no issue with claims that SYD is not a great airport but to blame SYD for the fall in AUSTRALIAN travel is a leap without facts evidenced.

If you buy a house near an airport you are going to get noise. I have sympathy for people in Blacktown hit by hail - I have no sympathy for flight path survivors.
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Re: Sydney Airport chokes tourism Industry

Not so long ago we had athread about how the TSA and the US Immigration service were responsible for the USA not having as great an increase in tourism as other countries.However in the last 12 months the US dollar has begun its slide and tourist numbers are starting to boom,particularly from Europe.Just try getting a cheap hotel room in NYC now.
We on the other hand are seeing our dollar strengthen.So I agree blaming Sydney airport is a bit rough.
I grew up on the Lane Cove river.I well remember in the early 50s the planes going overhead.Sure there are more now but it has been going on for a lot longer than most people have been in their houses.
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