QF's carbon offset - one of the cheapest ways to spend on QF services?
QF's carbon offset - one of the cheapest ways to spend on QF services?.
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Re: QF's carbon offset - one of the cheapest ways to spend on QF services?
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Originally Posted by Mal
Personally I feel carbon offsets are a joke and won't be supporting this initiative though.
Me too, but (the socialist leaning) Malcolm Turnbull is suggesting this payment will become mandatory in a few years, so the joke is turning sour real fast.
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Re: QF's carbon offset - one of the cheapest ways to spend on QF services?
I was going to try the same thing. Buy a carbon offset for an existing booking to get a Qantas purchase on to my Amex for this year. My one year anniversary was a couple of weeks ago and I'd like to grab my two QP passes ASAP. With no QF purchases in the near future this sounded like a great idea but I couldn't get to the payment page -- just got a blank red screen. perhaps it's not worth persisting if it doesn't show up on the Qantas merchant account.
I booked an award flight last week KIX>BNE>MEL>ADL hoping that would get my passes but that showed up as a purchase from the QF Tokyo office
I guess the fact that the "taxes" were showing in Japanese yen should have given me a clue
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Re: QF's carbon offset - one of the cheapest ways to spend on QF services?
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Originally Posted by Soundguy
Me too, but (the socialist leaning) Malcolm Turnbull is suggesting this payment will become mandatory in a few years, so the joke is turning sour real fast.
At the risk of dragging this thread off topic: there's nothing socialist about ensuring that the cost of producing a product is fully reflected in the price paid by the consumer. That's the only efficient way to ensure a product is properly priced (whether that product generates pollution or otherwise).
You only need to look up "the tragedy of the commons" [1] to see what happens to communal resources (e.g. the atmosphere) when the benefits accrue to one group (underpriced airfares) but the costs are borne by others (people who live on earth)
By forcing the cost of the good to accurately reflect the cost of inputs the product is no longer subsidized, and thus not under priced and over consumed.
I'm pretty sure that's in every first year economics text. Nothing to do with socialism. In fact, probably the exact opposite - more efficient free markets.
Re: QF's carbon offset - one of the cheapest ways to spend on QF services?
True in parts. For a start Government intervention in the market through the imposition of market adjusting factors is not in the spirit of free market economics. Secondly - airfares are the only "goods" that are the target of carbon offset taxes rather than little things like tower blocks made of massive amounts of concrete that is one of the other big CO2 producers that people dont like to talk about.
This is NOT free market economics - this is tinkering with a political winning strategy - not that many people fly enough to be significantly affected by the tax and thus a greater proportion of voters can sit in their Holden Commodores spewing filth into the amosphere as they drive into their concrete McMansions happy that the government is doing something about global warming by taxing all those nasty fliers.
Air tarvel is not the issue - human beings are the issue.
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Re: QF's carbon offset - one of the cheapest ways to spend on QF services?
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Originally Posted by AnonymousCoward
You only need to look up "the tragedy of the commons" [1] to see what happens to communal resources (e.g. the atmosphere) when the benefits accrue to one group (underpriced airfares) but the costs are borne by others (people who live on earth)
[1] Tragedy of the commons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How the hell do the benefits of the atmosphere accrue to only one group (the "underpriced" airfares payers")? Do you breathe, drive, live in a house, own a computer, read a paper (online or not online - the cost is potentially no different)?
Do not blame fliers for global warming - blame your parents (well blame your parents if they are european) for theirs wars and reconstruction and booms of the 70's/80's that have moved us to this position. Blame India and China for their massive expansion in the pas few years for sustaining this.
Global warming is not the fault of the 50J/14F pax on a 744 - it is everyone's fault and the focus on fliers is detracting from the bigger issue.
For god's sake they are building and unnecessary desalination plant from concrete (again) in Sydney and polluting the bays - and people target fliers...
Gah
Sorry - fliers are an easy target that wins votes but doesnt fix a problem - the fundamental flaw in democracy and allowing people to vote (and don't get me started on the waste generated through the election process).
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Re: QF's carbon offset - one of the cheapest ways to spend on QF services?
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Originally Posted by simongr
How the hell do the benefits of the atmosphere accrue to only one group (the "underpriced" airfares payers")? Do you breathe, drive, live in a house, own a computer, read a paper (online or not online - the cost is potentially no different)?
Do not blame fliers for global warming - blame your parents (well blame your parents if they are european) for theirs wars and reconstruction and booms of the 70's/80's that have moved us to this position. Blame India and China for their massive expansion in the pas few years for sustaining this.
Global warming is not the fault of the 50J/14F pax on a 744 - it is everyone's fault and the focus on fliers is detracting from the bigger issue.
For god's sake they are building and unnecessary desalination plant from concrete (again) in Sydney and polluting the bays - and people target fliers...
Gah
Sorry - fliers are an easy target that wins votes but doesnt fix a problem - the fundamental flaw in democracy and allowing people to vote (and don't get me started on the waste generated through the election process).
Why not say what you really mean
Vic is getting a 'bonus' desalination plant also & without an environmental impact report!
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