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Old 24th October 2008, 10:03 AM
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Re: Qantas FF Unfairness

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Since my first post I have used FF points to travel to Fiji and Cairns. I believe I have got better value from using the points for the flights compared with what I would've got by redeeming them for shopping vouchers.

I think the biggest thing for me was avoiding Jetstar flights.

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Yes there are redemptions..and redemptions...and they are definately not equal!!!!


I tend to maximise mine by flying on the 'quality airlines"...not Jetstar...and to get redemptions at peak times of year when the paid flight would have been at a high cost (ie school holiday periods as I have three kids).

If I have a desitnation in mind I will check what a fully paid deal will cost at the intended time of year.

For example sometimes a flight/hotel package deal will be quite cheap....and the redemption plus taxes plus hotels will have been at either about a similar cost or at not much of a discount (plus also factoring in earnt FF points on the paid booking). In such case I will buy rather than redeem.

So in summation , yes there is very much an art & science to maximising FF redemption value.....

The tricks are doing things to maximise your earn at minimal cost...and then redeeming in ways that maximise the value per point. These both vary depending on your particular circumastances. So you need to work out what is best for you. There is no one best path for everyone.

FF points are not at all like cash....but rather have a highly variable value depending on the knowledge and skill of the redeemer.

There is a bias in that if you can book a long way out you can secure flights with maximum value. Unfortunately when you cannot book well out, opportunities to book in peak periods tend to vanish.


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Old 24th October 2008, 10:11 AM
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Re: Qantas FF Unfairness

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So in summation , yes there is very much an art & science to maximising FF redemption value.....

You are right about that. These FF programs don't make it easy.

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Old 24th October 2008, 12:49 PM
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You are right about that. These FF programs don't make it easy.

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Well the upside of that is that if you take the time to learn how to best use the 'system" that you will gain better value than most.
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Old 24th October 2008, 07:03 PM
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Re: Qantas FF Unfairness

Yep, no two redemtions are equal.

eg. Classic award:

Return BNE-MEL 24000pts + tax (about $30 last time i looked)
Current red-edeal: $129 each way --> $258

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(one i actually took)

(oneway) CUN-DFW-SCL 30000pts + tax ($40)
Available airfare $2588

Needless to say, one is much better value than the other for about the same points spend.
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Old 26th October 2008, 06:50 PM
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Re: Qantas FF Unfairness

Last time i went to NZ i booked the tickets with points as i thought the flight was longer than it actually is.

A few weeks later i was checking the qantas website and noticed that actually paying for the tickets was cheaper than the fees i was charged when booking with points (not to mention the 'cost' of the actual points)

I ended up canceling the points tickets, obtaining a refund for the fees i had paid and simply paying for the ticket.
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Old 26th October 2008, 06:55 PM
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I ended up canceling the points tickets, obtaining a refund for the fees i had paid and simply paying for the ticket.
It's always a good move to compare the numbers before hand. As this example shows there are some real rip offs available in the FF schemes if you choose to go that way.
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Old 28th October 2008, 11:34 AM
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Re: Qantas FF Unfairness

Yep....redemtpions are not equal.

Last redemption on QF.
2 x J tickets MEL to HKG on QF via SYD was 265k FF points and $600 in fines on QF.

Just redeemed
2 x J tickets MEL to HKT via HKG was 140k FF miles and $300 in fines on AA.

Even factoring how I got the AA points (AMEX to SPG to AA), I'm still ahead of the pack.
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Old 28th October 2008, 12:18 PM
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Yep....redemtpions are not equal.

Last redemption on QF.
2 x J tickets MEL to HKG on QF via SYD was 265k FF points and $600 in fines on QF.

Just redeemed
2 x J tickets MEL to HKT via HKG was 140k FF miles and $300 in fines on AA.

Even factoring how I got the AA points (AMEX to SPG to AA), I'm still ahead of the pack.
But 1 Amex Mile = 1 QF Mile
1 Amex Mile = 0.33 SPG pts = 0.4125 AA miles (inc the 5k for 20k bonus)
so the 140k AA FF points in your example above is equivalent to 339k QF FF points

(given the special 1 Amex = 0.6 SPG has now gone)
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Old 28th October 2008, 12:31 PM
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Re: Qantas FF Unfairness

Yep, I did take advantage of the 1000 to 600 ratio.

Adding to the complexity:
1. I didnt need all my miles from AMEX.
2. The QF redemption was to HKG and the AA redemption was to HKT.
3. QF Business (on Deathstar) to HKT would be 288k.
4. As WP, I requested U availability on the dates as there were only 1 U seat even 9 months out to HKG.
5. AMEX to QF flexibility ends 1st April 2009.
6. After a year of not flying QF, I now have successfully reduced my QF balance to 80k and drop back to Gold.

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