[Soundguy]

I have a couple of questions about how flying on AA relates to earning QFF credits when using a QFF number.

I am looking at booking a couple of 'restricted first class' one way flights on AA (for travel within the US), the fare comes up as a KUP - would this be seen as first class be QF in terms of credits earned?

Secondly, each flight is over 1200 miles according to AA so would each earn 120 QFF credits? Or am I making a mistake here?

Thanks,

Chris

[Dave Noble]

They have credited as First Class in the past ( based on the booking class ) but QF have been managing to correctly credit upgrades these days and I havent got direct knowledge about how it handles K/YUP fares. Since they are technically in a fare basis of K , you are only entitled to K class status credits ( 30 SCs )

Dave

[Soundguy]

Thanks Dave,

these fares (KUP) come up when I select 'First class with restrictions' on aa.com so why should they not earn credits as first class? That is what I selected after all. Have you heard of others not recieving First class SC earn on these fares?

The flights are over 1200 miles so this would be 40SC's in full economy and 120 SC's in First class, correct?

Chris

[Dave Noble]

Originally Posted by Soundguy

Thanks Dave,

these fares (KUP) come up when I select 'First class with restrictions' on aa.com so why should they not earn credits as first class? That is what I selected after all. Have you heard of others not recieving First class SC earn on these fares?

The flights are over 1200 miles so this would be 40SC's in full economy and 120 SC's in First class, correct?

Chris

From the Terms and Conditions of QFF state that SCs are awarded on the fare paid and not the class travelled. The fare paid is KUP and so the fare paid is a K class fare. The KUP fare is an economy fare with a free upgrade to 1st class ( designed to allow people to work around company restrictions of only buying economy )

K is discount economy for Status credit earning and so is entitled to 20SCs

QF/AA have adjusted their systems such that when upgrades are used on AA, the points credit to QF as the original class. I would not be surprised if they have done the same for this

The only way to be sure of current state is to fly n try

Dave

[NM]

Originally Posted by Dave Noble

From the Terms and Conditions of QFF state that SCs are awarded on the fare paid and not the class travelled. The fare paid is KUP and so the fare paid is a K class fare. The KUP fare is an economy fare with a free upgrade to 1st class ( designed to allow people to work around company restrictions of only buying economy )

K is discount economy for Status credit earning and so is entitled to 20SCs

QF/AA have adjusted their systems such that when upgrades are

The fare basis is KUP. But the booking code is A if available, otherwise K. So if A is available, and hence the fare booking code is A, is that not what AA will use to tell QF about the ticket purchased?

So we now have the complexity of terms including:
Fare Paid (KUP)
Booking Code (A)
Cabin Flown (F)

So if QF credit according to the fare purchased, we can see that he purchased a fare basis of KUP that books into A. So I think it could be argued that he purchased an A fare using a fare basis of KUP. By convention, the first letter of the fare basis is generally the booking code. But I don't think this is any more than just convention. Just because the fare basis does not start with A or F does not mean its not a discounted/restricted First Class fare. According to the way the fare is located on the AA web site, I think we can argue that it is a restricted First Class fare, where the restrictions include that it books into A inventory if available, otherwise it books into K.

[Dave Noble]

Originally Posted by NM

So if QF credit according to the fare purchased, we can see that he purchased a fare basis of KUP that books into A. So I think it could be argued that he purchased an A fare using a fare basis of KUP. By convention, the first letter of the fare basis is generally the booking code. But I don't think this is any more than just convention.

Actually, it is more than convention, I have read IATA documents that exactly state that the 1st character of the fare basis defines the booking class.

Dave

[NM]

Originally Posted by Dave Noble

Actually, it is more than convention, I have read IATA documents that exactly state that the 1st character of the fare basis defines the booking class.

Dave

Except in the case of KUP/YUP it would appear. Then again, these are AA fares, not IATA fares ...

[Dave Noble]

Originally Posted by NM

Except in the case of KUP/YUP it would appear. Then again, these are AA fares, not IATA fares ...

True, but my understanding is that AA deliberately markets as an economy fare basis and upgrades to 1st class to help deal with the issue of companies not buying 1st class tickets in the LOTFAP

In an upgrade situation , it is quite normal for the booking class to reflect the upgraded class whilst the fare basis denotes the original class

I know that YUP fares have been crediting as A and so these may well do so , but QF has also tightened up their class to fare basis relationship for upgrades and they may be classing these as upgrades

Dave

[NM]

Originally Posted by Dave Noble

True, but my understanding is that AA deliberately markets as an economy fare basis and upgrades to 1st class to help deal with the issue of companies not buying 1st class tickets in the LOTFAP

and very successfully so

Originally Posted by Dave Noble

In an upgrade situation , it is quite normal for the booking class to reflect the upgraded class whilst the fare basis denotes the original class

I know that YUP fares have been crediting as A and so these may well do so , but QF has also tightened up their class to fare basis relationship for upgrades and they may be classing these as upgrades

Dave

I guess it depends if Qantas see these are economy fares that have been upgraded to First, or as discounted/restricted First fares with an economy-like fare basis.

[Dave Noble]

Originally Posted by NM

and very successfully so

I guess it depends if Qantas see these are economy fares that have been upgraded to First, or as discounted/restricted First fares with an economy-like fare basis.

Prezactly my point. They could validly post them as economy for the KUP basis or they could post as A for being 1st class. The best way to know is to do it

Dave