[JohnK]

Originally Posted by dajop

QF 29 MEL-HKG dep 11pm/ arr 6am. Good for early morning or lunch time departures out of HKG to many parts of Asia (and QF29 goes onto Europe). Obviously no good for connections out of SIN, but SIN not really good for one world connections anyway.

You are right there HKG is a better place for OneWorld connections but I was heading in the direction of how cheap the QF SIN-Australia-SIN flights are compared to fares ex Australia. I know most of my travel patterns overseas in advance so next trip I position myself in SIN with QF FF points and then keep purchasing return airfares back to SYD with the return flight SYD-SIN being the beginning of the next trip.

[Dave Noble]

Originally Posted by browski

Look at the Codeshared Qantas flight from Syd to Bahrain - via Singapore.
The flight leaves Singapore for Bahrain about 5.45am but the latest flight into Singapore (from anywhere in Oz) is about 10.30pm

Some of us would call this a plus. Can take a daytime flight to SIN , then sleep in the transit hotel and then be up bright eyed and bushy tailed for a daytime flight onwards

Dave

[NM]

Originally Posted by JohnK

I know everyone mentions SQ, EK and MH for options but I think it would be a great if OneWorld did this. Oh, they did do it you say. QF31 used to arrive in SIN ~4:00am which was pretty good for early morning or lunchtime departures out of SIN. Now no choice other than to look for late night connection or overnight in SIN. I don't travel often enough so I don't really want to start spreading long distance flights to non OneWorld carriers.

How many OneWorld connections are there to be made at SIN in the wee hours of the morning? There may be plenty of *A connections (operated by SQ and other *A members) and connections to other non-alligned airlines.

Personally, I would prefer to take a daytime flight to SIN and sleep in a hotel (the airport transit hotel is good for early morning departures) and then take the daytime flight the following day.

[browski]

Originally Posted by Dave Noble

Some of us would call this a plus. Can take a daytime flight to SIN , then sleep in the transit hotel and then be up bright eyed and bushy tailed for a daytime flight onwards

Dave

Dave, I too prefer to travel through the daytime hours and sleep in hotels at night. I agree it can be a plus. But it is only an accidental plus. My company also tries to spin obvious errors by searching hard for a dubious upside and then calling it an enhancement.

[browski]

Originally Posted by NM

How many OneWorld connections are there to be made at SIN in the wee hours of the morning?

Gee NM, it is not just the wee hours of the morning. As shown in my earlier post, if flying Qantas it is impossible to connect with any flights before 5.00PM (I think it is actually 6.00PM!), not just the wee hours.

[browski]

Originally Posted by dajop

Browski, QF isn't the answer to everything, and it not difficult to take business elsewhere. If SQ comes into play, from MEL you can depart for SIN at 00:50, 10:10 & 15:30 - a good spread (with EK's flight at 19:20 also). There is also a good spread of times from BNE. I guess though, if you want to connect to a midnight service from SYD, it is not as easy as it would be if QF operated a late night service from BNE/MEL.

I hear you brother (sister?) - I'm already on that SQ bandwagon, can't praise them highly enough for their flight volumes and spread of departure timings. But as we all know, it is best to have as few FF programs as possible if trying to cumulate a large volume of points quickly and its hard not to have QFF if domestile in Oz.

[Dave Noble]

Originally Posted by browski

Gee NM, it is not just the wee hours of the morning. As shown in my earlier post, if flying Qantas it is impossible to connect with any flights before 5.00PM (I think it is actually 6.00PM!), not just the wee hours.

how many partner flights are there at 05:00 ex SIN?

Dave

[browski]

Originally Posted by Dave Noble

how many partner flights are there at 05:00 ex SIN?

Dave

Dave, we might have some confusion here - I am talking about connecting to flights up to 5 or 6 pm in the afternoon; not just at 05:00am. That's a gap of around 17 hours.

For me personally I would like to fly non-partners also from SIN that OW does not fly to. But to honour your question try these. Just for starters, Qantas cannot connect to any of these flights. By connect, I mean having to wait more than 6 hours.

CX710 SIN 08:05 HKG 12:00
CX736 SIN 10:15 HKG 14:10
CX714 SIN 11:05 HKG 14:55
CX714 SIN 11:05 HKG 14:55
CX714 SIN 11:05 HKG 14:55
CX712 SIN 13:30 HKG 19:55
CX734 SIN 16:05 HKG 19:55
CX734 SIN 16:05 HKG 19:55
CX734 SIN 16:05 HKG 19:55
CX716 SIN 18:40 HKG 22:25

CX712 SIN 13:30 BKK 14:55

Jet Airways
9W15 SIN 0915 Chennai 1055
9W15 SIN 0915 Chennai 1055

Gulf Air
Departs (SIN) 5:25 Bahrain (BAH) 8:25

[Dave Noble]

Originally Posted by browski

Dave, we might have some confusion here - I am talking about connecting to flights up to 5 or 6 pm in the afternoon; not just at 05:00am. That's a gap of around 17 hours.

I was going on the original thing of "why are there no flights after 5pm" ... for afternoon flights, a more relevent question would be "why no early flights"

On the mentioned options to HKG, why would they be so concerned about making connections there easy given that both they and CX operate non-stops from Sydney and Melbourne there. For the BKK option, both QF and BA operate there, so again no real reason for them to be interested in trying to make it an easy connection in SIN

Of the remaining 2 flights, one of them originates in Oz anyway and I suspect that most people going straight from Oz to BAH would be inclined to take the GF flight all the way

That only leaves one 1 partner flight with no simple workaround to Chennai

For competitor flights, I can't see why QF would be interested in making it easy to connect to

Dave

[NM]

Originally Posted by browski

CX710 SIN 08:05 HKG 12:00
CX736 SIN 10:15 HKG 14:10
CX714 SIN 11:05 HKG 14:55
CX714 SIN 11:05 HKG 14:55
CX714 SIN 11:05 HKG 14:55
CX712 SIN 13:30 HKG 19:55
CX734 SIN 16:05 HKG 19:55
CX734 SIN 16:05 HKG 19:55
CX734 SIN 16:05 HKG 19:55
CX716 SIN 18:40 HKG 22:25

CX712 SIN 13:30 BKK 14:55

if HKG or BKK are your final destination, why would you want to transit via SIN? Surely you would take a direct flight to HKG or you have the option to transit SYD to get to BKK without the connection problem in SIN.

Originally Posted by browski

Jet Airways
9W15 SIN 0915 Chennai 1055
9W15 SIN 0915 Chennai 1055

Gulf Air
Departs (SIN) 5:25 Bahrain (BAH) 8:25

Technicaly these are not OneWorld flights, but may well be of interest to some QF FF members. But they hardly make SIN a OneWorld hub. Most OneWorld flights to/from SIN are timed to make reasonable connections in the evening as a hub for connections between Europe and Australia. If its a OneWorld hub you want in Asia then best to use HKG where you have a reasonable choice of daytime and overnight flights to/from Australia with both QF and CX.

If you want to use SIN as a hub to other Asia ports, then best to use SQ as your carrier.