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Old 12th July 2007, 05:21 PM
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Give it time they will be on the triangle.
I think you missed my point. The triangle is infinitely more profitable to fly than the routes that Pussy has chosen, even in a startup situation and despite competition. There is a very good reason why Tiger is not starting up on these routes - and it's not by choice. Can you work it out?

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Old 12th July 2007, 05:26 PM
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JQ are in the same boat..If they were part of the QF FF scheme and not planning their own that may have protected them a bit...
I, for one, am not assuming that it will not be separate… I am QFF WP, and JQ sent me that bloody long quiz,
had it not been for interest on AFF I would never had completed it. If JQ try to define themselves away from QFF (in Oz), they will fail!

Already I am pissed off that as QFF WP, I can’t enter the Star Alliance lounges, in ports, where JQi has deals to let in their Star Class passengers. QAN is too black & white between its brands in some places, vs. shades of grey in others! Not that (domestically) HBA or OOL passengers, count for much in the QF number crunch, but this isn’t about leisure vs. business (so many airline brands in Oz have tried and die on that division; we ain’t big enough) it’s about RECOGNITION!
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Old 12th July 2007, 05:28 PM
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I think you missed my point. The triangle is infinitely more profitable to fly than the routes that Pussy has chosen, even in a startup situation and despite competition. There is a very good reason why Tiger is not starting up on these routes - and it's not by choice. Can you work it out?
Lack of LCC (i.e JQ) competition?

I have no idea...and the answer would be?
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Old 12th July 2007, 05:37 PM
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I think you missed my point. The triangle is infinitely more profitable to fly than the routes that Pussy has chosen, even in a startup situation and despite competition. There is a very good reason why Tiger is not starting up on these routes - and it's not by choice. Can you work it out?
Yes I can
Unfortunately you seem to be dreaming if you think they wont go on markets into or out of SYD. The greatest impediment in operating thru SYD is gaining slot times for arrivals and departures . At peak times it is already near the 80 per hour max so they have get slots that can fit with the LCC reqmnts to maximise aircraft utilization.I think you flatter yourself and yr company thinking they may be scared or anything DJ/JQ or QF will do.The limp response to tiger pricing by JQ and no response by DJ just lets Tiger build
a customer base and great publicity. Continue to pay no attention as they expand and you may as well canx those orders for new planes ,you wont need them...your customers will be flying with someone else
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Old 12th July 2007, 05:45 PM
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Yes I can
Unfortunately you seem to be dreaming if you think they wont go on markets into or out of SYD. The greatest impediment in operating thru SYD is gaining slot times for arrivals and departures . At peak times it is already near the 80 per hour max so they have get slots that can fit with the LCC reqmnts to maximise aircraft utilization.I think you flatter yourself and yr company thinking they may be scared or anything DJ/JQ or QF will do.The limp response to tiger pricing by JQ and no response by DJ just lets Tiger build
a customer base and great publicity. Continue to pay no attention as they expand and you may as well canx those orders for new planes ,you wont need them...your customers will be flying with someone else
Clearly the answer to my question was "no".

I'm not flattering anyone that Tiger will be scared of anyone's competitive response - that's your interpretation. Thanks for the warning to pay attention - I don't know why we hadn't noticed Tiger until now. I'll just go shoot some staff to wake the others up.
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Old 12th July 2007, 06:01 PM
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I think you missed my point. The triangle is infinitely more profitable to fly than the routes that Pussy has chosen, even in a startup situation and despite competition. There is a very good reason why Tiger is not starting up on these routes - and it's not by choice. Can you work it out?
man im still no closer...only things i can come up with egarding why theyve started up where they have are using underutilised airports with lower fees (ROK, MKY), lack of LCC competition (PER, ASP) established base & connectivity (DRW), and established leisure market (OOL), gives them some control over flights n prices.

As for the triangle, i remember reading that AirAsia Long Haul is considering giving SYD a miss due to high fees. Could be same deal for TT. Then again, that didn't stop DJ starting on the triangle back in '00.

I got no idea...enlighten me somebody...
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Re: Tiger Announce MEL-PER and MEL-ASP

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I think you missed my point. The triangle is infinitely more profitable to fly than the routes that Pussy has chosen, even in a startup situation and despite competition. There is a very good reason why Tiger is not starting up on these routes
I think two things:

1. Extra support of the local airports where they have chosen to fly to now (and also they have chosen their Intl departure points)
2. The 'Golden Triangle' isn't that special unless you have high frequency flights.
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Old 12th July 2007, 06:17 PM
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Re: Tiger Announce MEL-PER and MEL-ASP

Hot off the press.... Well email.....

Melbourne (Avalon) to Perth on sale for $99

Jetstar is offering an unbelievably low fare of $99 between Melbourne (Avalon) and Perth. Book now, and head to the West Coast to soak in the astounding landscapes, sparkling beaches and the sublime vineyards of the Margaret River. On sale now until midnight (AEST) Friday 13th July 2007. Available for travel 02 - 28 February 2008.

Melbourne (Avalon) To Perth On Sale for $99!
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Old 12th July 2007, 06:21 PM
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Hot off the press.... Well email.....

Melbourne (Avalon) to Perth on sale for $99

Jetstar is offering an unbelievably low fare of $99 between Melbourne (Avalon) and Perth. Book now, and head to the West Coast to soak in the astounding landscapes, sparkling beaches and the sublime vineyards of the Margaret River. On sale now until midnight (AEST) Friday 13th July 2007. Available for travel 02 - 28 February 2008.

Melbourne (Avalon) To Perth On Sale for $99!
I can think of 2 reasons not to buy this fare.

1) Avalon

2) $99 compared to $50

You're going to have to panic better than that, Jetstar!

Then again, they don't have to worry as much with PER, no threat of 'Double the Difference'...

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Old 12th July 2007, 09:15 PM
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Re: Tiger Announce MEL-PER and MEL-ASP

and a 3rd reason

The dates!!

Jetstar offers their "special" in the ass-end month of the travel calendar - February only. (the other ass end travel month is November)

Tiger is from 1 Dec to 30 March.

I think Jetstar is starting sniff their own PR.

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