[ludoh]

Hi,
I'm scheduled to come back from Singapore on April 21st on the QF6 which according to schedule lands at 5.10am in Sydney. Given the 6am curfew is this flight by definition going to be 50min late ??? Any experiences ?

[globetrekker]

ludoh,

There's no need to worry. QF6, SQ221, BA15 and EK412 all have permission to land after 5AM with some operational restrictions, so no 50min delays in this case..

[oz_mark]

Originally Posted by globetrekker

ludoh,

There's no need to worry. QF6, SQ221, BA15 and EK412 all have permission to land after 5AM with some operational restrictions, so no 50min delays in this case..

Is this the no reverse thrust limitation?

[Evan]

I notice BA do not use reverse thrust, atleast not on the flights i paid attention to if they did or did not.
Maybe long run ways they needed to get to the end of anyway or maybe a restriction or just not normal operating procedure ?

E

[globetrekker]

Originally Posted by oz_mark

Is this the no reverse thrust limitation?

That plus a runway restriction of 34L (ie. landing over Botany Bay). If downwind exceeds limits (15kts for the B747-400), then the flight will hold, but this doesn't happen very often in SYD.

[ludoh]

Thanks - I live close to Syd airport (underneath 16L approach) and hardly ever notice planes before 6am. Let's hope there is no strong downwind.....

[Mal]

There is dispensation available under the Curfew for a certain number of aircraft landings from Overseas between 5am and 6am.

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/ActCompilation1.nsf/0/50B7217FD3999790CA257204000CED2F/$file/SydneyAirportCurfew1995WD02.pdf

Part 3—Permitted aircraft movements
Division 1—Movements permitted during curfew periods
12 International passenger aircraft movements during curfew
shoulder periods
(1) For the purposes of this section, an aircraft is an international
passenger aircraft on take-off from, or landing at, Sydney Airport
if:
(a) the aircraft is being used to carry passengers for hire or
reward in an air service that is covered by an international
airline licence granted under the Air Navigation Regulations;
and
(b) for a take-off from Sydney Airport—the first port of call of
the aircraft after taking off from Sydney Airport is outside
Australia; and
(c) for a landing at Sydney Airport—the last port of call of the
aircraft before landing at Sydney Airport was outside
Australia.
(2) An international passenger aircraft may take off from, or land at,
Sydney Airport between 11 pm and midnight, or may land at
Sydney Airport between 5 am and 6 am, if:
(a) the take-off or landing is covered by a timetable approved
under the Air Navigation Regulations; and
(b) if the take-off or landing is after the time on the day specified
under subsection (3)—the take-off or landing has been
approved under subsection (4); and
(c) if the take-off or landing is at or before the time on the day
specified under subsection (3)—the take-off or landing has
been approved under regulation 6 of the Air Navigation
(Aerodrome Curfew) Regulations; and
(d) for a take-off—the take-off is from runway 16R and the start
of roll is from south of the intersection of that runway and
taxiway G; and
(e) for a landing—the landing is on runway 34L; and
Part 3 Permitted aircraft movements
Division 1 Movements permitted during curfew periods
Section 12
10 Sydney Airport Curfew Act 1995
(f) the aircraft complies with the maximum noise levels
specified in Chapter 3 of the Annex that are applicable to the
maximum take-off weight of the aircraft (whether or not the
Chapter is expressed to apply to the aircraft).
(3) The Minister must, by notice in the Gazette, specify a time on a
specified day as the time after which approvals under
subsection (4) are required. The time specified must not be more
than 6 months after the commencement of this Act.
(4) On written application by the holder of an international airline
licence granted under the Air Navigation Regulations, the
Secretary of the Department may, in writing, approve a take-off
from, or landing at, Sydney Airport between 11 pm and midnight
on a specified day, or a landing at Sydney Airport between 5 am
and 6 am on a specified day, if:
(a) granting the approval is consistent with the quota
requirements in whichever of subsections (8) and (9) applies;
and
(b) the Secretary is satisfied that approving the take-off or
landing during that period on that day is justified because:
(i) there are curfew constraints at overseas airports or there
is a lack of capacity at Sydney Airport outside curfew
periods; and
(ii) there is no alternative airport in the Sydney area with
capacity to accommodate the take-off or landing.
(5) An application for approval under subsection (4) must set out the
reasons why the applicant thinks the approval should be granted,
having regard in particular to paragraph (4)(b).
(6) The Secretary may defer making the decision on an application for
approval until the applicant has provided such further information
relevant to making the decision as the Secretary requires.
(7) Application may be made to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal
for review of a decision to refuse to grant an approval.
(8) These are the quota requirements that apply to take-offs and
landings between 11 pm and midnight:
(a) during a week, the total number of take-offs and landings
(treated jointly) of international passenger aircraft at Sydney
Permitted aircraft movements Part 3
Movements permitted during curfew periods Division 1
Section 13
Sydney Airport Curfew Act 1995 11
Airport that occur between 11 pm and midnight must not
exceed 14, or such lower number as is prescribed; and
(b) the total number of take-offs and landings (treated jointly) of
international passenger aircraft at Sydney Airport that occur
between 11 pm and midnight on a day must not exceed 4, or
such lower number as is prescribed.
(9) These are the quota requirements that apply to landings between 5
am and 6 am:
(a) during a week, the total number of landings of international
passenger aircraft at Sydney Airport that occur between 5 am
and 6 am must not exceed 35, or such lower number as is
prescribed; and
(b) the total number of landings of international passenger
aircraft at Sydney Airport that occur between 5 am and 6 am
on a day must not exceed 7, or such lower number as is
prescribed.
(10) In applying the quota requirements, aircraft taking off or landing as
permitted by section 16 or 18 are not to be counted.