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Old 8th April 2008, 04:01 PM
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Re: More 787 delays?

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And QF did grab a few more cheaper A330-200's from Airbus with the A380 delay.
You make a valid point about doing something with the 767's but there fuel burn i am told is around 30% more than the A330's per seat so the last thing you also want is them in your fleet any longer than you planned.
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This 30% number has been largely discredited. There is no absolute proof because you are not comparing apples with apples but various studies have shown the difference to be between 0% and 10%, some have even shown the 763 and moreso the 764 to be more fuel efficient than the A330-200 The A330-200 also has a slower optimum cruise speed. Anyway, these numbers wouldn't send QF to the wall

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Old 8th April 2008, 06:23 PM
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Re: More 787 delays?

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This 30% number has been largely discredited. There is no absolute proof because you are not comparing apples with apples but various studies have shown the difference to be between 0% and 10%, some have even shown the 763 and moreso the 764 to be more fuel efficient than the A330-200 The A330-200 also has a slower optimum cruise speed. Anyway, these numbers wouldn't send QF to the wall
Yes i know, and the figures are per seat so you never know.
A332 i would imagine would not be that good, i am sure it burns very close to the same fuel as an A333 yet seats less people ! (great possible range though)
All these calculations also differ greatly over distance traveled.

I wonder what the re-fit even costs, i would imagine that is not cheap either. In any case i see no issues with the way QF have handled the situation. Its very easy for us to all say they did a bad job but thats after some events are known.

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Old 9th April 2008, 11:43 PM
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Boeing delays 787 program for third time

Boeing delays 787 program for third time | Markets | Markets News | Reuters



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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Boeing Co (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) announced the third major delay on its 787 Dreamliner on Wednesday, citing slow progress on assembly and continuing problems with suppliers, putting the program about 15 months behind schedule.

The U.S. plane maker, which vies with EADS (EAD.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) unit Airbus for dominance of the commercial airplane market, pushed its target for the first test flight of the new plane to the fourth quarter of this year, as opposed to its last target of end-June 2008.

Boeing said the first 787 delivery, to Japan's All Nippon Airways Co (9202.T: Quote, Profile, Research), would take place in the third quarter of next year, as opposed to its previous target of early 2009. The first 787 delivery was originally planned for May 2008.
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Old 10th April 2008, 08:44 AM
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Re: More 787 delays?

Shame for QF & JQ that the delays have occurred.

Therefore, I would guess that there is some financial compensation coming their way (once a realistic delivery schedule is established) and I would expect some more options on 787s to be firmed at 'preferential' rates.

I think that QF will be OK in the end (maybe buy some Oasis 744s) but what of JQ and their expansion plans?
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Old 10th April 2008, 08:51 AM
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Re: More 787 delays?

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I think that QF will be OK in the end (maybe buy some Oasis 744s) but what of JQ and their expansion plans?
QF wont go near the Oasis 747's. They have A380's coming online in 4 months and a few A330's being delviered also.

This delay will mainly effect the expansion of JQ.
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Re: More 787 delays?

And the delayed expansion plans of JQ will impact the overall profitability of JQ's owner - QF. POtentially reducing the available funds for investing in QF services/improving QF's offerings etc...
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QF wont go near the Oasis 747's. They have A380's coming online in 4 months and a few A330's being delviered also.

This delay will mainly effect the expansion of JQ.
and the retirement plans of the 767's they were intended to replace.
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Old 10th April 2008, 10:56 AM
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Re: More 787 delays?

QF have just anniounced they have already agreed lease deals for 6 x more A330-200's for Jetstar. The deal just needs approval from the board as the delay has just been confirmed.

Dixon says the dleay was epxected, hence why the have already secured additonal aircraft.
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Old 10th April 2008, 11:08 AM
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QF have just anniounced they have already agreed lease deals for 6 x more A330-200's for Jetstar. The deal just needs approval from the board as the delay has just been confirmed.

Dixon says the dleay was epxected, hence why the have already secured additonal aircraft.
I wonder where the A330-200's are coming from and when they can be introduced?

I thought that QF could lease some Oasis 744's to assist with the transition of the 743's out of the fleet and also provide coverage whilst the QF 744's get refurbished with Y+ and new interiors.

However, I can't wait to see the A380's in full QF colours! I have heard that they intend to have 4 delivered by 12/2008.
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Re: More 787 delays?

Media release from Qantas here: About Qantas - Newsroom


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Qantas Statement on Further B787 Delays
Sydney, 10 April 2008
Qantas Airways said it had put in place contingencies to alleviate possible capacity constraints caused by the further delay of the B787 Dreamliner.

The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas Airways, Mr Geoff Dixon, said today Qantas was not surprised by the further delay announced by Boeing.
..and the bit ANstar mentioned...

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Mr Dixon said Qantas had already secured a leasing agreement, subject to Board approval, for up to six A330 aircraft which would go into the Jetstar International operations.

"These aircraft are the same as currently used by Jetstar for its long haul flying and will provide adequate growth for Jetstar until the arrival of the Dreamliner."

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