Jetstar sees Europe as ripe with potential

[Yada Yada]

Originally Posted by www.iht.com

Jetstar sees Europe as ripe with potential

By Vesna Poljak Bloomberg News
Published: October 16, 2006

SYDNEY Jetstar Airways, the discount carrier owned by Qantas Airways, may focus on Europe to expand its international flights, the airline's chief executive officer, Alan Joyce, said.

Jetstar, which is as much as 50 percent cheaper to run than Qantas, is considering services to cities including Paris, Rome and Athens, in addition to destinations it has already flagged, when international flights begin next month.

"The potential for the group to increase its footprint back into Europe using the Jetstar cost base is very important both strategically and, from our perspective, from a profitability point of view," Joyce said in an interview in Melbourne on Friday. "Qantas had in the past not been able to make money outside of London and Frankfurt."

Jetstar was created more than two years ago to recover domestic market share lost to Virgin Blue Holdings, Australia's second-biggest airline. Qantas, the largest airline in Australia, is relying on Jetstar to win back international passengers lost to rivals like Singapore Airlines and Emirates Airline, which have cut Qantas's market share 11 percent in the past 10 years.

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There is a bit of info on the 787-8 and 787-9's that Jetstar will be using in the article.

I also saw the following article online a few days ago:

People's Daily Online -- MAS to help train Jetstar pilots for long haul flight

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) will help Jetstar, the Australian-based low-fare carrier, to train 12 Jetstar pilots for long-haul flight.

MAS and Jetstar, a subsidiary under Qantas Group Airline, signed an agreement on Friday at MAS's Flight Crew Training Center in Subang near Kuala Lumpur, according to a statement released here by MAS.

The Malaysian national carrier said in the statement that the training would support Jetstar's final preparations as it moved into long-haul international operations to Southeast Asia and the Asia-Pacific region, which would start from Nov. 23.

Jetstar's Chief Executive Officer Alan Joyce said Jetstar was pleased to use the center to help support its move into long-haul flying, according to the statement.

MAS's Operation Director Peter Read said MAS's training standards were internationally recognized and it has an excellent track record of A330-300 operations since 1991.

[maninblack]

Jetstar is as much as 50% cheaper to run than Qantas. They haven't even flown overseas yet

[JohnK]

Athens in August on JQ here I come....

[garyjohn951]

And just the other day someone mentioned Rome !!
Yep 787 for Jetstar prior to QF and QF say they don't have enough planes.
It is ALL geared to Jetstar doing all the routes except half a dozen QF routes.

[Kiwi Flyer]

Originally Posted by JohnK

Athens in August on JQ here I come....

ahh you're an optimist

[Altair]

Originally Posted by garyjohn951

And just the other day someone mentioned Rome !!
Yep 787 for Jetstar prior to QF and QF say they don't have enough planes.
It is ALL geared to Jetstar doing all the routes except half a dozen QF routes.

Doing a little more research since I posted on another thread. The first 787 will be the -8, this is the smallest long range variant, but with JQ using 9 across seating there will be more seats than a QF 767. QF will use the 787-9, larger, for the international routes first, then moving the old long haul 767-300ER to domestic routes or retiring them, or returning the 7 dwarfs.
As more 787 join the fleet, including domestic, the 767 will be leaving. QF will then have 737-800 and 787 (8 or 9) for domestic mainline. 787-9, A330-200, A330-300, 747-400(Standard and ER) and finally A380-800 for international operations.
Qantaslink, Jetconnect have been left out of this equation.

[NM]

Originally Posted by Altair

As more 787 join the fleet, including domestic, the 767 will be leaving. QF will then have 737-800 and 787 (8 or 9) for domestic mainline. 787-9, A330-200, A330-300, 747-400(Standard and ER) and finally A380-800 for international operations.
Qantaslink, Jetconnect have been left out of this equation.

I would not assume the A330s will always remain in the international fleet. I am expecting the A330-200s to return to domestic ops on the longer routes like SYD/MEL-PER as well as trans-Tasman (well, they are really domestic ops, arn't they?) with the 787 doing the high-capacity monorail services after the 767s have eventaully seen out their life on these domestic ops (couild be as much as 8-10 years away), and repositioning domestic ops.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by NM

I would not assume the A330s will always remain in the international fleet. I am expecting the A330-200s to return to domestic ops on the longer routes like SYD/MEL-PER as well as trans-Tasman (well, they are really domestic ops, arn't they?) with the 787 doing the high-capacity monorail services after the 767s have eventaully seen out their life on these domestic ops (couild be as much as 8-10 years away), and repositioning domestic ops.

True I forgot about the A330-200 transferred to JQ. As these birds were de-rated and without a lot of costs to re-fit them to take Skybeds Mk 1 or 2, they will either go to long domestic ops or be sold off.
The reason I see the 787 go to the international fleet first, they will get the most benefit for fuel economy, better product offering to match competitors. The 767 will go to domestic as the fuel usage factor will be less and to use up the number of cycles left in the frame.

[NM]

Originally Posted by Altair

True I forgot about the A330-200 transferred to JQ. As these birds were de-rated and without a lot of costs to re-fit them to take Skybeds Mk 1 or 2, they will either go to long domestic ops or be sold off.
The reason I see the 787 go to the international fleet first, they will get the most benefit for fuel economy, better product offering to match competitors. The 767 will go to domestic as the fuel usage factor will be less and to use up the number of cycles left in the frame.

yes indeed. I think the 763s will see out their life in the same way as the 762s did. And unfortunately they are likely to end up in similar interior condition as the last years of the 762 life.

When the ex AO 763s are being converted back to QF mainline domestic op config (Millenium seats), are they getting a general spruce up as well?

[oz_mark]

Originally Posted by NM

yes indeed. I think the 763s will see out their life in the same way as the 762s did. And unfortunately they are likely to end up in similar interior condition as the last years of the 762 life.

When the ex AO 763s are being converted back to QF mainline domestic op config (Millenium seats), are they getting a general spruce up as well?

There is a plus to the 763's on domestic ops. They have more overhead locker space per passenger than other aircraft.