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JamesF · 9th February 2006, 12:19 AM

Hi All,

Saw this link this morning on the Herald Website to a new Qantas American Express card:

Link

Is this anything worthwhile, or just another form of a rewards maximiser card?

Nice looking cards though!

James

oz_mark · 9th February 2006, 12:32 AM

Similar to other cards, but the points are automtically transferred each month across to you QFF account. More focussed on the QF side of things than there other cards.

frequent passport user · 9th February 2006, 08:06 AM

umm, I am considering the middle one 'premium', as it gives you 2 free entries into the Qantas pub a year. Without having to pay the annual membership. Twice a year isn't much though is it??? You earn slightly more points than the basic one too. The expensive one 'ultimate' gives you free flights, but you are in effect paying for them due to the high cost of the card - although you do get more points.

Amex is gradually getting more widely accepted, due to the high profits the banks earn in commission, hence all the major banks also issuing amex cards & heavily promoting them. However, they still aren't as widely accepted as much as Mastercard or Visa in Australia.

Guess I need to think about it some more. Does anyone reckon that the new QF Amex cards are worth it or should I keep my Altitude cards that I get for free?

QFTravel · 9th February 2006, 10:01 AM

Looking at the cards and my personal situtation:

AMEX Rewards Maximiser gives greater value at $144 per year for 1.5 points per $1 spend against the AMEX Premium card at $195 per year and only 1.25 points per $1 spend. 2 free QP passes is nice - but really does not add much value to the card. Pay $50 more a year for a general .25 points less earning - don't think so!

AMEX Platinum Credit card also gives greater value at $395 per year against the AMEX Ultimate Card. The additional benefits that a Platinum Card offers outways the potential point earnings of the Ultimate Card. The facility to use points on other airlines is also an added bonus for the Platinum Card, including the exclusive Platinum services.

All in all, I think avid watchers of new cards (like those you find on these forums

) will identify that these dont offer the same/(better) rewards as other AMEX cards.

Maca44 · 9th February 2006, 11:23 AM

QFTravel is spot on. Why pay more for less benefits and, as mentioned, the rewards maximiser and Plat card allows you to t/f points to several FF programs whereas it would appear this new card only allows for points to be transferred direct to your QF account.

danielh · 9th February 2006, 06:40 PM

Brief outline of the three cards:

http://www.americanexpress.com/austr...s&CRTV=Banners

CARD 1:
The Qantas American Express Credit Card

You can accelerate your Qantas Frequent Flyer points earning power with the card that helps your points take to the skies.

* Earn 1 Qantas Frequent Flyer point1 for every dollar spent every day using your Credit Card
* Earn 1 additional point1 for every dollar spent on your Card with Qantas2 on Qantas services.
* Card fee of $95 per annum & $30 per Supplementary Card per annum

CARD 2:
The Qantas American Express Premium Credit Card

Prepare your Qantas Frequent Flyer points for take-off with the Credit Card that offers the best of both worlds: a superior points earning rate and Premium rewards and privileges.

* Earn 1.25 Qantas Frequent Flyer points1 for every dollar spent every day using your Credit Card
* Earn 1 additional point1 for every dollar spent on your Card with Qantas2 on Qantas services.
* 2 Qantas Club Invitations3 every year when you first spend with Qantas2 on Qantas services that year.
* Card fee of $195 per annum & $30 per Supplementary Card per annum

CARD 3:
The Qantas American Express Ultimate Credit Card

The Ultimate Credit Card is designed to help you make the most of your travelling lifestyle. It's the card that helps your Qantas Frequent Flyer points go places fast.

* Earn 1.5 Qantas Frequent Flyer points1 for every dollar spent every day using your Credit Card
* Earn 1 additional point1 for every dollar spent on your Card with Qantas2 on Qantas services.
* A Qantas domestic return flight4 on one of a number of routes every year when you first spend with Qantas2 on Qantas services that year
* Card fee of $395 per annum & Supplementary Cards at no extra cost

Conditions:
1 You must be a member of the Qantas Frequent Flyer program to earn and redeem points. A joining fee applies. Membership is subject to the terms and conditions of the program. Award seats are limited and may not be available on every flight.

2 To be eligible, spend must be on the Qantas merchant account in Australia and does not include Australian Airlines, Jetstar or Qantas Holidays. Points Terms and Conditions apply.

3 Invitations are for Premium Cardmembers and are valid for Qantas operated lounges only and are not valid for oneworld™ alliance airline, partner airlines lounges or associated lounges. Each invitation is valid for a single visit before the date specified on the invitation, when travelling with Qantas, Australian Airlines or Jetstar. Qantas club rules apply. Qantas Club Invitations Conditions apply.

4 The Qantas domestic return flight in economy class is available for booking by Ultimate Cardmembers from 01 April 2006. Availability is limited and seats may not be available on all flights. Route availability is subject to change without notice. All travel is subject to Qantas' Conditions of Carriage. No Qantas Frequent Flyer points will be awarded for travel on these flights. Domestic Return Flight Conditions apply.

Out of all the cards, perhaps the Ultimate one would be interesting but the AU$395 cost is a bit on the high side. Set that off against a return flight between domestic destinations (cheap avg ~$300 MEL-SYD-MEL) then it may seem a bit more reasonable but I will wait for Qantas to send it's SG and WP mambers some sort of super special discount to join.

If the yearly cost of the Ultimate card drops to the <AU$200 range then I will get it just for the flight and 7,500 points I will most definitely qualify for.

I already have a Gold Maximiser card with it's free yearly fee. When this runs out I will simply call AmEx again and say that I will drop the card unless they give it to me for free for another year.

Regards
Daniel

frequent passport user · 9th February 2006, 07:26 PM

looks like an AMEX maximiser is worth investigating. Ta for your input - much appreciated.

danielribo · 9th February 2006, 07:28 PM

So it seems with the "ultimate" card you have purchase a Qantas flight before they'll give you your free flight. Does the Amex Platnium also have that? Or is it only on this QF one?

danielh · 9th February 2006, 08:18 PM

Good point, the AmEx platinum has a free flight as well.

Kinda reduces the differences a lot.

Regards
Daniel

ksthommo · 9th February 2006, 08:32 PM

Here's the flight that are available with the Ultimate Card;

Departure City/Arrival Cities
Adelaide/ Brisbane Melbourne Sydney
Brisbane/ Adelaide Melbourne Sydney
Melbourne/ Adelaide Brisbane Sydney
Perth/ Adelaide Melbourne Sydney
Sydney/ Adelaide Brisbane Melbourne
Canberra/ Melbourne Sydney

Maybe okay if you travelled to/from Perth

All Flights are subject to availability and neither American Express nor
Qantas guarantee that seats or tickets will be available on the dates or at
the times you may wish to fly. Seat availability may be limited to certain
dates and/or flights.

9th February 2006, 12:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
JamesF Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SYD Posts: 62	New QF Amex Hi All, Saw this link this morning on the Herald Website to a new Qantas American Express card: Link Is this anything worthwhile, or just another form of a rewards maximiser card? Nice looking cards though! James

9th February 2006, 07:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
frequent passport user Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 14	thanks for the advise danielh & QF travel>>> looks like an AMEX maximiser is worth investigating. Ta for your input - much appreciated.

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